Except – notice the baseline is old; the classic conventional 1880-1910 average, which was only chosen because accurate thermometer records didn’t exist before 1880. In fact, by 1900 we were already emitting 10% of the CO2 we are today, and the Michael Mann team study of 2017 shows that a better measure of the pre-industrial average, relevant for GHG climate, is 0.2C lower and therefore the graph above needs another 0.2C added on to the right hand scale. see http://www.meteo.psu.edu/holocene/public_html/Mann/articles/articles/SchurerEtAlNCC17.pdf
Don’t analyze Chucky’s “offerings” so closely. He is not interested in presenting scientific facts about climate change, as the inadequacy of this graph and many others of his “finds” show—-he is interested in long-term psychological manipulation of Crockers—-“branding” himself, as it’s termed, and “brainwashing” us.
Indy has already pointed out what’s wrong with that graph, and he’s correct. What’s the point of looking at “sources” (which Chucky doesn’t understand anyway)?
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BTW, you seem “brainwashed” enough yourself, grumpo. There isn’t any of that stuff I could wash off you.
Another childish ad hominem response from Chucky—-next it will be “Your mother wears combat boots” or something equally inane. Why can’t he respond to the REAL arguments here? Why isn’t he smart enough to just back off and hope folks don’t notice his “game”?
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Exposure to gunfire, explosions, loud machinery, and loud cars back in the days when “hearing protection” was unheard of is a good antidote to the noise made by wind turbines.
As I’ve said before, I’ve walked right up to them and heard almost NO noise. Makes me wonder if some of the old folks who complain about the noise are BS-ing us—-they’ve got to be as hard of hearing as I am.
BTW, when you take a look at Figure 2 in the Schurer et al paper, you will see that their 0 baseline goes well with the NASA GISS 1880-1899 temperatures. So the differences are minuscule. The difference between IPCC AR4 baseline and NASA GISS is 0.02°C, two hundredth of a degree. So we’re basically all talking the same language. Thus:
Give it up, Chucky. Indy makes a valid point about the inadequacy of your post and you double down on a bad bet by posting that same graph we have seen from you 20 or more times now. It too is “bad science”, in that it is a distortion of the date and intended to have psychological impact rather than transmit good info. But that’s what you’re into isn’t it?—-manipulating heads rather than engaging in discussion of the science?
Go and publish your expertise in the scientific literature, grumpo. And please do your neighbours and all a favour. If you ever consider suicide, please, I say please don’t shoot a bullet in your head. This deep low pressure.. I mean this kind of tornado… You may have heard of the butterfly wing effect. So please don’t do that. We don’t want Christoper Monckton spouting the climate change conspiracy, and how tornados are fabricated by the green leftists…
Another non-substantive reply from Chucky. Narcissistic maundering from someone who has NO real arguments to present. I wonder how long he will keep this up this self-destructive behavior? If any of his bosses are watching, they ought to give him some counseling about how NOT to shoot his toes off.
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You must be some loner, grumpo, that you think I’d have a boss.
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A non sequitur in response. Chucky’s on a roll!
PS In another inane response, Chucky informs us that he “doesn’t like flashlights either” because “they’re disturbing”. LMAO—most people who are up to no good don’t like having anyone shine a light on their misdeeds—-I can see why Chucky would be “disturbed”.
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One more, poodo. Please!
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One more? No need, since you’ve proven my point several times over—but since you DID ask, I’ll let you prove it once again..
In case anyone is not aware, and with apologies—-(I had to look it up):
“A poodo. A phallus like instrument composed completely of frozen human excrement. A dildo made of poo. A shit filled condom. For sexual use in either the anus, or the vagina”.
So, in addition to earlier talking about suicide and shooting a bullet in my head, Chucky is now calling me names that only some pervert would be familiar with.
Keep it up, Chucky—keep digging that hole until you come out in China! ROTFLMAO!
(“Craic” or “crack” is a term for news, gossip, fun, entertainment, and enjoyable conversation, particularly prominent in Ireland).
Sorry, Chucky, the “fun” of your meaningless cartoon will have to wait. I’m still trying to get over the “fun, entertainment, and enjoyable conversation” about suicide, bullets in heads, and shit-filled dildos. You are one sick SOB, my friend.
Let’s see. First Chucky very clearly calls me “poodo”. (all small letters—see definition as googled)
Then he posts a picture of a PooDo Box. The first was clearly meant to be a rather disgusting and perverted pejorative, the second is something that dog owners might use.
Does Chucky think Crockers are so stupid that we can’t see the only thing the two have in common is the same five letters? Or that he didn’t do a frantic google to try to come up with an excuse for his mistake in calling me a name he was obviously familiar with? LOL Keep it coming, Chucky—-score is now something like 20-zip.
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Hold your zipper, grumpo. Show us that you’re not a loner.
Goodbye, Chucky. It has NOT been a pleasure knowing you.
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Poodo stands for me for poodle, grumpo. You know? That wee dog. I didn’t even bother looking up what else people are connecting with that word. Remember that nice gif I posted some months prior to the Donald Duck one? I would have thought you could remember, “DOG”.
Depends critically on the speed of the blades, the sound goes up non-linearly with higher speed, and human ears are pretty good compared to a low-end mic on a DSLR camera (notoriously short range in sensitivity). Here’s a graphic from a study which might be more informative…
…. at half a kilometer away, about the same as a refrigerator. However, it’s got a very strong periodicity, which the we’re mostly wired to find annoyingly attention-getting, like the audio version of strobe lights on a bike. Hey, I’ve been yelled at more than once by pedestrians at night, for my strobe’d white front bike light.
That DSLR picked up the sound of car tires hissing on the road pretty darned well. It’s possible it was not picking up bass frequencies, if generated, by the towers.
OTOH, it’s pretty damned clear that a claim made by a denier here a while ago that wind towers make a noise as deafening as the roar of jet planes is almost certainly nonsense.
I would also contest the idea that a periodic noise would necessarily be annoying. It is also the sort of thing that the brain is good at filtering out.
I’m looking for a a good external mounted mic to get a realistic comparison showing wind turbines vs rustling leaves or cornstalks. It’s amazing how little
ambient noise drowns them out.
No, we should not care, except that Chucky continues to clog Crock with his need to be noticed and his inaccurate, science-ignorant, and inane BULLSHIT like this comment.
“Below subsonic” is NOT “below 20HZ”, Chucky—–SUBSONIC refers to any sound that travels at less than the SPEED of sound, which is measured in distance per unit of time.
INFRASOUND is the proper term for sounds whose FREQUENCY is below the human hearing range, generally accepted as 20 HZ or a bit less for the young. It is measured in cycles per unit of time.
I won’t confuse Chucky any more with physics lessons on “sound” things like amplitude—-he has enough trouble with the apples and oranges of speed versus frequency. Moron!
The sound of anthropogenic global warming:
Except – notice the baseline is old; the classic conventional 1880-1910 average, which was only chosen because accurate thermometer records didn’t exist before 1880. In fact, by 1900 we were already emitting 10% of the CO2 we are today, and the Michael Mann team study of 2017 shows that a better measure of the pre-industrial average, relevant for GHG climate, is 0.2C lower and therefore the graph above needs another 0.2C added on to the right hand scale. see http://www.meteo.psu.edu/holocene/public_html/Mann/articles/articles/SchurerEtAlNCC17.pdf
Don’t analyze Chucky’s “offerings” so closely. He is not interested in presenting scientific facts about climate change, as the inadequacy of this graph and many others of his “finds” show—-he is interested in long-term psychological manipulation of Crockers—-“branding” himself, as it’s termed, and “brainwashing” us.
Sources for text and graph in the video description.
“Sources”? What is that supposed to mean?
Indy has already pointed out what’s wrong with that graph, and he’s correct. What’s the point of looking at “sources” (which Chucky doesn’t understand anyway)?
BTW, you seem “brainwashed” enough yourself, grumpo. There isn’t any of that stuff I could wash off you.
Another childish ad hominem response from Chucky—-next it will be “Your mother wears combat boots” or something equally inane. Why can’t he respond to the REAL arguments here? Why isn’t he smart enough to just back off and hope folks don’t notice his “game”?
Exposure to gunfire, explosions, loud machinery, and loud cars back in the days when “hearing protection” was unheard of is a good antidote to the noise made by wind turbines.
As I’ve said before, I’ve walked right up to them and heard almost NO noise. Makes me wonder if some of the old folks who complain about the noise are BS-ing us—-they’ve got to be as hard of hearing as I am.
Sorry—-this is a reply to indy’s 1:44 AM comment
BTW, when you take a look at Figure 2 in the Schurer et al paper, you will see that their 0 baseline goes well with the NASA GISS 1880-1899 temperatures. So the differences are minuscule. The difference between IPCC AR4 baseline and NASA GISS is 0.02°C, two hundredth of a degree. So we’re basically all talking the same language. Thus:
http://www.realclimate.org/images//sr15_spm_fig1.png
As IPCC projections are always conservative, latest research is pointing to a more rapid warming.
Here again => World’s Oceans Warming 40% Faster Than Previously Thought
IMHO the oncoming decade is DECISIVE for whether we can achieve the Paris goals or just bin the whole lot.
As Gavin Schmidt points out: “The best time to start reducing emissions was 25 years ago. The second best time is today.”
2019 must be the wake up call. Call The Crisis. Call out the Climate Crisis.
We know, Indy. But that’s the baseline the whole world is using. And from this kind of view, that here is the outlook:
https://sites.google.com/site/irelandclimatechange/Safe%20Climate%20Zone.jpg
=> Global warming will happen faster than we think
Give it up, Chucky. Indy makes a valid point about the inadequacy of your post and you double down on a bad bet by posting that same graph we have seen from you 20 or more times now. It too is “bad science”, in that it is a distortion of the date and intended to have psychological impact rather than transmit good info. But that’s what you’re into isn’t it?—-manipulating heads rather than engaging in discussion of the science?
Go and publish your expertise in the scientific literature, grumpo. And please do your neighbours and all a favour. If you ever consider suicide, please, I say please don’t shoot a bullet in your head. This deep low pressure.. I mean this kind of tornado… You may have heard of the butterfly wing effect. So please don’t do that. We don’t want Christoper Monckton spouting the climate change conspiracy, and how tornados are fabricated by the green leftists…
Another non-substantive reply from Chucky. Narcissistic maundering from someone who has NO real arguments to present. I wonder how long he will keep this up this self-destructive behavior? If any of his bosses are watching, they ought to give him some counseling about how NOT to shoot his toes off.
You must be some loner, grumpo, that you think I’d have a boss.
A non sequitur in response. Chucky’s on a roll!
PS In another inane response, Chucky informs us that he “doesn’t like flashlights either” because “they’re disturbing”. LMAO—most people who are up to no good don’t like having anyone shine a light on their misdeeds—-I can see why Chucky would be “disturbed”.
One more, poodo. Please!
One more? No need, since you’ve proven my point several times over—but since you DID ask, I’ll let you prove it once again..
In case anyone is not aware, and with apologies—-(I had to look it up):
“A poodo. A phallus like instrument composed completely of frozen human excrement. A dildo made of poo. A shit filled condom. For sexual use in either the anus, or the vagina”.
So, in addition to earlier talking about suicide and shooting a bullet in my head, Chucky is now calling me names that only some pervert would be familiar with.
Keep it up, Chucky—keep digging that hole until you come out in China! ROTFLMAO!
https://a5f6b1df-a-62cb3a1a-s-sites.googlegroups.com/site/frackingireland/mad_dumbo.gif
Still allowed to post two links in one post.
So here is one for grumpo (we want a wee more craic, don’t we?)
https://a5f6b1df-a-62cb3a1a-s-sites.googlegroups.com/site/frackingireland/mad_dumbo.gif
And here is the other one:
https://grist.org/article/heres-the-green-new-deal-debate-you-havent-heard-yet/
More craic?
(“Craic” or “crack” is a term for news, gossip, fun, entertainment, and enjoyable conversation, particularly prominent in Ireland).
Sorry, Chucky, the “fun” of your meaningless cartoon will have to wait. I’m still trying to get over the “fun, entertainment, and enjoyable conversation” about suicide, bullets in heads, and shit-filled dildos. You are one sick SOB, my friend.
https://grist.files.wordpress.com/2018/11/green-new-deal.jpg
BETTER THAN PLASTIC BAGS
http://poodobox.com/images/home_features/04.jpg
Let’s see. First Chucky very clearly calls me “poodo”. (all small letters—see definition as googled)
Then he posts a picture of a PooDo Box. The first was clearly meant to be a rather disgusting and perverted pejorative, the second is something that dog owners might use.
Does Chucky think Crockers are so stupid that we can’t see the only thing the two have in common is the same five letters? Or that he didn’t do a frantic google to try to come up with an excuse for his mistake in calling me a name he was obviously familiar with? LOL Keep it coming, Chucky—-score is now something like 20-zip.
Hold your zipper, grumpo. Show us that you’re not a loner.
=> 50,000 SIGNATURES NEEDED: Stand with the Constitutional Lawsuit against Trump
Goodbye, Chucky. It has NOT been a pleasure knowing you.
Poodo stands for me for poodle, grumpo. You know? That wee dog. I didn’t even bother looking up what else people are connecting with that word. Remember that nice gif I posted some months prior to the Donald Duck one? I would have thought you could remember, “DOG”.
Bullshit! You knew EXACTLY what you were doing.
And WHAT was I doing? You’re still not speechless. That’s what I was doing So let’s move one. I don’t care whether you believe what I’m saying, because you don’t anyway.
https://i.pinimg.com/originals/b6/a8/ef/b6a8efda3d025afa49ae07b6ef5ff59a.jpg
Here is a bit of an explanation of that graph grumpo calls “bad science”. It’s also in the article I posted below that graph.
=> Paleoclimate: The End of the Holocene (Stefan Rahmstorf)
And this is the Carbon Budget Clock.
NOT MUCH TIME LEFT !!!
Wind and Solar Are the Final Nails in Coal’s Coffin
Depends critically on the speed of the blades, the sound goes up non-linearly with higher speed, and human ears are pretty good compared to a low-end mic on a DSLR camera (notoriously short range in sensitivity). Here’s a graphic from a study which might be more informative…
https://www.ge.com/reports/post/92442325225/how-loud-is-a-wind-turbine/
…. at half a kilometer away, about the same as a refrigerator. However, it’s got a very strong periodicity, which the we’re mostly wired to find annoyingly attention-getting, like the audio version of strobe lights on a bike. Hey, I’ve been yelled at more than once by pedestrians at night, for my strobe’d white front bike light.
I don’t like flashlights either. They’re disturbing.
That DSLR picked up the sound of car tires hissing on the road pretty darned well. It’s possible it was not picking up bass frequencies, if generated, by the towers.
OTOH, it’s pretty damned clear that a claim made by a denier here a while ago that wind towers make a noise as deafening as the roar of jet planes is almost certainly nonsense.
I would also contest the idea that a periodic noise would necessarily be annoying. It is also the sort of thing that the brain is good at filtering out.
It’s called the “nocebo effect” => https://www.researchgate.net/publication/268875744_The_Link_between_Health_Complaints_and_Wind_Turbines_Support_for_the_Nocebo_Expectations_Hypothesis
I’m looking for a a good external mounted mic to get a realistic comparison showing wind turbines vs rustling leaves or cornstalks. It’s amazing how little
ambient noise drowns them out.
Where are you? http://bfy.tw/LlJU
What you’re probably looking for is a wide frequency range. Below 20 Hz is called “subsonic”.
Most people probably can not hear anything below 30 Hz, let alone 20Hz. Should we care?
No, we should not care, except that Chucky continues to clog Crock with his need to be noticed and his inaccurate, science-ignorant, and inane BULLSHIT like this comment.
“Below subsonic” is NOT “below 20HZ”, Chucky—–SUBSONIC refers to any sound that travels at less than the SPEED of sound, which is measured in distance per unit of time.
INFRASOUND is the proper term for sounds whose FREQUENCY is below the human hearing range, generally accepted as 20 HZ or a bit less for the young. It is measured in cycles per unit of time.
I won’t confuse Chucky any more with physics lessons on “sound” things like amplitude—-he has enough trouble with the apples and oranges of speed versus frequency. Moron!