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John Holdren, the president’s top adviser on science and technology, and activist Josh Fox discuss last week’s game-changing climate deal.
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“The scientists… tend to be some of the most radical folks on this issue” -unmissable
Ps activists don’t work in these videos. The guy went off a tangent into self publicity. Bring back Nye.
“The scientists tend to be some of the most radical folks on this issue”
You have a point there? Since they are the best informed folks on this issue, let’s hope that motivates them to be “radical”.
“The guy went off a tangent into self publicity”? Only in Omno-land would someone make such a mindless statement. Perhaps Omno failed to notice that the interviewer invited him to do so? And it was just a few seconds of PR after the “guy” made many cogent remarks. Poor Omno, will he ever understand how the world communicates?
Yeah he was passing by and by chance got an occasion to talk about himself. Please try being serious. The bit with Holdren is hard to argue with, the second part is a joke between excitable people and dilutes and ruins the message.
Omno needs to try being serious. The dialogue with Fox occurred because he was invited on the show, not because he was “passing by”, and it was probably “scripted” to the point where they agreed on talking points beforehand and the amount of time to be taken up.
I must repeat—-“Poor Omno, will he ever understand how the world communicates?”
Of course it was all scripted, that’s my point, instead of focusing on the news they went True Believers therefore boring half or more of the audience. It can’t be right
No, it was MY point, not yours, and by doing some “scripting” ahead of time, they were ensuring that the news WAS in fact included. You didn’t have any point beyond your usual attention-seeking contrarianism. I’m done feeding you here. Go away.
The significance of this pact is that it is the first time these two major carbon emitting countries have admitted there is a problem, and have made even a verbal commitment to addressing the problem. Its the equivalent of two addicts admitting their addiction and pledging to change their ways. As such, it is progress. We are moving from denial and resistance to discovery, steps along the process of change.
It also removes that last excuse of other nations in denial. Australia and India will have important effects. The debate in those countries is ongoing.
The addict comparison, while apt, is also a bit troubling, as addicts tend to be pathological liars. Let’s hope that both countries start attending the climate change equivalent of AA on a daily basis and so keep clean (of coal dust?).
Not a bad analogy, the addiction thing, and the lying that Kelly brings up is indeed troubling. Some (slightly altered) thoughts on that from the drug and alcohol rehab literature:
“Anyone who wants to help a (fossil fuel addicted country) break their lying habit can only do so by refusing to be an enabler. Once you catch a (fossil fuel) addict (country) in a lie, you must call them on it immediately, and if you know they have been lying to (the world) you have to make sure that (the world) finds out the truth as quickly as possible. When (fossil fuel) addicts lie they are attempting to hide the truth about a deadly and destructive secret that must not be allowed to remain obscured in the shadows for even a second longer than necessary. Only when lying is no longer effective will (fossil fuel) addicts have an incentive to stop, and if they can finally be forced to reveal the truth about what has been happening in their lives their chances of ultimately defeating their (fossil fuel) addiction will be enhanced tremendously”.
Our mission is clear!
I suspect many an addict would go along with the promise of Peak Cocaine by 2030.
Or was it China 🙂
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