16 thoughts on “Michael Smerconish and Michael Mann on the Pope’s Encyclical”
The Pope gets it, Michael Mann gets it. So does Hayhoe. She says:
“…This is why the Pope’s unprecedented encyclical on climate change matters so much. It makes a moral call for action based on the fundamental premises of the Christian faith – premises so fundamental that we can all, and must all, agree…”
“…This is why the Pope’s unprecedented encyclical on climate change matters so much. It makes a moral call for action based on the fundamental premises of the Christian faith – premises so fundamental that we can all, and must all, agree….”
I’m please to see that a protestant (Church of England Bishop) is also backing up the Catholic Church’s stand. Ethics and morals are after all in the religious domain and the scientists have carried that burden for far too long. Let the scientists devote more of their valuable time to science, and let the churches, mosques and temples take up their share.
Bishop of Salisbury: Congregants should fast once a month to protect against climate change
Please don’t forget that day of fasting is also a day of prayer for the planet, as well. Both of which will be completely meaningless. Well done, C of E!
Fasting and prayer – two wonderful ways in which people can do something that makes themselves feel better about themselves, without actually doing something that helps.
Not, say, write a letter. Or call a congressman. Or join a march. Or chain yourself to a coal power plant fence. Or blow up Fox News. Or insulate your house. Or hand out leaflets. Or start your own municipal or State renewable energy farm. Or take a course on green energy. Or start a course on green energy. Or recruit speakers on the topic for your church, club, neighborhood. Or even commit oneself to ask the very first rudimentary questions about how we can actually start building and deploying all those machines we all agree we need.
No…. after thirty years or so of knowing there is a very large problem; after 15 years of arguing about facts with liars and morons; after 10 years of watching the Koch brothers and Rupert Murdock subvert the political and media system, thereby doing everything they possibly can do to condemn millions if not billions of people and species to extinction, the CofE has come up with a startling new action plan:
1 day of symbolic fasting accompanied by the proven farce of prayer.
Why do you keep missing the point? Are you such a motivated reasoner that you can’t see redsky’s and JPC’s point?
Fasting and prayer in this context are not “feel good” actions, but perhaps a path to action through the moral and ethical doorways that as been so ignored (especially by folks who have no answers but “the government needs to take over and just fix it with free electricity”.
1) write a letter
2) call a congressman
3) join a march
4) chain yourself to a coal power plant fence
5) blow up Fox News
6) insulate your house
7) hand out leaflets.
8) start your own municipal or State renewable energy farm
9) take a course on green energy
10) start a course on green energy
11) recruit speakers on the topic for your church, club, neighborhood
12) even commit oneself to ask the very first rudimentary questions about how we can actually start building and deploying all those machines we all agree we need.
Quite a list, and how about telling us how many of them you’ve personally done and which ones they are? I doubt you’ve done many—just more rhetorical BS on your part. Also, tell us how many are within practical reach of the average citizen? (And #12 is a non sequitur since we DON’T “all agree that all those machines” are needed or what they should be).
I myself have been watching it all go to hell for over 50 years, have actively fought it on many fronts, and I don’t defend ANY of the inaction (or what you perceive as “meaningless” action, for that matter) What I recognize (and you don’t) is that the Kochs and the Murdochs and all the others have fought a successful delaying action—-we have not countered them adequately, and the Pope and the C of E and other religious leaders approaching AGW from this personal moral and ethical standpoint may just provide the breakthrough we need. Why can’t you see that?
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On the other hand, I suppose there is a definition of “meaningful” that could be satisfied by a day of prayer. How about I use a different word, more in tune with my intent – “productive”.
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Tell me Ginger, who is more likely to be productive; someone calm, centered and focused, or someone anxious, frenetic and discombobulated?
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“…anxious, frenetic and discombobulated?…”
Like GB? Or Omno?
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Findings from researchers at Stanford, Princeton and Berkeley Universities echo an earlier report from Duke University in confirming that Earth is sadly going through another mass extinction event (and we humans will most likely go earlier than later).
Do those bigoted blockheads think all university researchers (as well as the Pope) are left wing greenie Marxists too. Maybe we need to bring back electric shock therapy to bring them back into reality.
While I admire the admirable quotes, but if by “We” I am being compared with the likes of Donald Trump, Jim (Mountain) Inhofe and Christopher Walter Monckton, well that is truly defeatist and we as the evolved human species can do a lot, lot better than that….We damn well better realize that and damn soon.
The Pope gets it, Michael Mann gets it. So does Hayhoe. She says:
“…This is why the Pope’s unprecedented encyclical on climate change matters so much. It makes a moral call for action based on the fundamental premises of the Christian faith – premises so fundamental that we can all, and must all, agree…”
More at:
http://biologos.org/blog/why-all-christians-should-heed-pope-francis-call-to-care-for-our-common-hom
“…This is why the Pope’s unprecedented encyclical on climate change matters so much. It makes a moral call for action based on the fundamental premises of the Christian faith – premises so fundamental that we can all, and must all, agree….”
Katharine Hayhoe
http://biologos.org/blog/why-all-christians-should-heed-pope-francis-call-to-care-for-our-common-hom
I’m please to see that a protestant (Church of England Bishop) is also backing up the Catholic Church’s stand. Ethics and morals are after all in the religious domain and the scientists have carried that burden for far too long. Let the scientists devote more of their valuable time to science, and let the churches, mosques and temples take up their share.
Bishop of Salisbury: Congregants should fast once a month to protect against climate change
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/home-news/bishop-of-salisbury-congregants-should-fast-once-a-month-to-protect-against-climate-change-10332684.html
Please don’t forget that day of fasting is also a day of prayer for the planet, as well. Both of which will be completely meaningless. Well done, C of E!
Actually, the practice of mindfulness, of which fasting and prayer are a form, has been repeatedly shown to be helpful in many meaningful ways.
“Completely meaningless”? Why am I not surprised by this comment?
Fasting and prayer – two wonderful ways in which people can do something that makes themselves feel better about themselves, without actually doing something that helps.
Not, say, write a letter. Or call a congressman. Or join a march. Or chain yourself to a coal power plant fence. Or blow up Fox News. Or insulate your house. Or hand out leaflets. Or start your own municipal or State renewable energy farm. Or take a course on green energy. Or start a course on green energy. Or recruit speakers on the topic for your church, club, neighborhood. Or even commit oneself to ask the very first rudimentary questions about how we can actually start building and deploying all those machines we all agree we need.
No…. after thirty years or so of knowing there is a very large problem; after 15 years of arguing about facts with liars and morons; after 10 years of watching the Koch brothers and Rupert Murdock subvert the political and media system, thereby doing everything they possibly can do to condemn millions if not billions of people and species to extinction, the CofE has come up with a startling new action plan:
1 day of symbolic fasting accompanied by the proven farce of prayer.
Defend it all you want, DOG.
Why do you keep missing the point? Are you such a motivated reasoner that you can’t see redsky’s and JPC’s point?
Fasting and prayer in this context are not “feel good” actions, but perhaps a path to action through the moral and ethical doorways that as been so ignored (especially by folks who have no answers but “the government needs to take over and just fix it with free electricity”.
1) write a letter
2) call a congressman
3) join a march
4) chain yourself to a coal power plant fence
5) blow up Fox News
6) insulate your house
7) hand out leaflets.
8) start your own municipal or State renewable energy farm
9) take a course on green energy
10) start a course on green energy
11) recruit speakers on the topic for your church, club, neighborhood
12) even commit oneself to ask the very first rudimentary questions about how we can actually start building and deploying all those machines we all agree we need.
Quite a list, and how about telling us how many of them you’ve personally done and which ones they are? I doubt you’ve done many—just more rhetorical BS on your part. Also, tell us how many are within practical reach of the average citizen? (And #12 is a non sequitur since we DON’T “all agree that all those machines” are needed or what they should be).
I myself have been watching it all go to hell for over 50 years, have actively fought it on many fronts, and I don’t defend ANY of the inaction (or what you perceive as “meaningless” action, for that matter) What I recognize (and you don’t) is that the Kochs and the Murdochs and all the others have fought a successful delaying action—-we have not countered them adequately, and the Pope and the C of E and other religious leaders approaching AGW from this personal moral and ethical standpoint may just provide the breakthrough we need. Why can’t you see that?
On the other hand, I suppose there is a definition of “meaningful” that could be satisfied by a day of prayer. How about I use a different word, more in tune with my intent – “productive”.
Tell me Ginger, who is more likely to be productive; someone calm, centered and focused, or someone anxious, frenetic and discombobulated?
“…anxious, frenetic and discombobulated?…”
Like GB? Or Omno?
Findings from researchers at Stanford, Princeton and Berkeley Universities echo an earlier report from Duke University in confirming that Earth is sadly going through another mass extinction event (and we humans will most likely go earlier than later).
Do those bigoted blockheads think all university researchers (as well as the Pope) are left wing greenie Marxists too. Maybe we need to bring back electric shock therapy to bring them back into reality.
http://www.bbc.com/news/science-environment-33209548
Another take on the same story from Motherboard.
http://motherboard.vice.com/en_au/read/we-are-100-for-sure-in-the-middle-of-a-major-extinction-event
“Only when the last tree has died, the last river has been poisoned and the last fish has been caught will we realize that we cannot eat money.”
“We do not inherit the earth from our ancestors, we borrow it from our children.”
Amen.
While I admire the admirable quotes, but if by “We” I am being compared with the likes of Donald Trump, Jim (Mountain) Inhofe and Christopher Walter Monckton, well that is truly defeatist and we as the evolved human species can do a lot, lot better than that….We damn well better realize that and damn soon.
thanks, I’ve been looking for this quote all week!